{"id":1345,"date":"2020-04-18T17:36:16","date_gmt":"2020-04-18T16:36:16","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/21stcenturylearners.org.uk\/?page_id=1345"},"modified":"2020-04-22T20:35:45","modified_gmt":"2020-04-22T19:35:45","slug":"thinking-together-a-transcript","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/21stcenturylearners.org.uk\/?page_id=1345","title":{"rendered":"Thinking Together: A transcript"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<div style=\"height:20px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n<p><!--StartFragment--><\/p>\n\n\n<p>This is a transcript of a conversation that took place\nbetween myself and three Year 5 pupils in Sheffield in 2019. The pupils were experienced\nin Philosophy for Children \u2013 they had practiced dialogue before. They had\nlearned about changes of state in their science lessons. I asked them to sort\nsome scenarios according to the changes of state involved. The transcript\nfocuses on the conversation around just one of the cards.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>One pupil, P3, is reserved and contributes infrequently. The\nothers, P1 and P2, have different perspectives on what freezing means. As their\nteacher, T, &nbsp;I am facilitating their conversation\nand hoping to deepen their understanding of the concept of freezing. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:30px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>P1<\/strong>:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; So this one\u2026 lava turns into new rock after a volcano has erupted<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>P2<\/strong>:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Probably freezing \u2018cos it cools down \u2013 to turn into the rock<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>P1<\/strong>:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; It wouldn\u2019t quite freeze, but it would cool down \u2013 so I reckon it\u2019s  kind of freezing. It\u2019s sort of freezing.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>T<\/strong>:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Why aren\u2019t you sure \u2013 why do you say kind of freezing?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>P1<\/strong>:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Because it isn\u2019t turning to ice, it\u2019s cooling down just a little bit, just  enough to turn it back into rock, rather than it actually freezing<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>T:<\/strong>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Do either of you disagree with that?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>P2<\/strong>:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I think it might be freezing<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>P1<\/strong>:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; So it\u2019s half on, half off then, because it\u2019s cooling down, but not freezing.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>(Coming back to the problem a few minutes later, after discussing others)<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>P1:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; So it\u2019s still not freezing, but it\u2019s a hard one\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>P3<\/strong>: &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Could it evaporate all the liquid that was in the lava?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>P1<\/strong>: &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I don\u2019t know whether the liquid would evaporate, but it might, \u2018cos, actually\u2026 I\u2019m not sure<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>T<\/strong>:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Tell me again \u2013 earlier you said you thought it was freezing but not really freezing\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>P1<\/strong>:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; It\u2019s just cooling down<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>T<\/strong>:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; What is freezing?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>P1<\/strong>:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Freezing is when the temperature goes below zero in water, or a liquid solidifies<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>T<\/strong>:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Does anybody disagree with that? Does anybody have a different view?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>P2<\/strong>:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Well, just to go against you a bit, you said liquid solidifies and lava is technically liquid and it has solidified<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>P1<\/strong>:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Yes, so that\u2019s solidifying, but that doesn\u2019t necessarily mean it\u2019s freezing<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>T<\/strong>:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; You\u2019re making a distinction there between something solidifying as it cools down and something freezing.. Why is that not freezing?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>P1<\/strong>:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; That just returns to the state it was in before, which was rock, because it\u2019s been melted \u2013 the rock seems to have been melted and churned up by the lava from the volcano, and then it\u2019ll get cooler, but not freeze, and it\u2019ll just return to the state it was in before.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>P2<\/strong>:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;  I think it probably would be freezing, \u2018cos freezing, it doesn\u2019t have to be minus temperatures \u2013 if it\u2019s just cooling it is sort of freezing<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>P1<\/strong>:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I still disagree with that because the science behind freezing is that things get so cold that they solidify, and this isn\u2019t what\u2019s happening \u2013 it just returns to its normal state, because it\u2019s been heated up, but it cools down slightly or\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>T<\/strong>: &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; You just said freezing means that things get so cold they solidify, but this isn\u2019t that because it\u2019s just returning to its normal state because it\u2019s cooled down quite a lot. What\u2019s the difference?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>P1<\/strong>:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; It\u2019s not\u2026 It hasn\u2019t\u2026 The temperature hasn\u2019t gone below freezing, it\u2019s just\u2026 it hasn\u2019t actually frozen.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>T<\/strong>:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Right so this is the issue, one of you is suggesting that freezing is something that happens at zero degrees C or below, and you seem to be suggesting \u2018well not necessarily\u2019. Can you give any examples of anything freezing other than water that might happen at a different temperature?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>P2<\/strong>:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Well, like chocolate, when you take it off the heat and just leave it, if you leave it for a matter of time it could even be twenty degrees, it would just set<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>P3<\/strong>:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;  It would just solidify to its normal state<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>P2<\/strong>:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Yeah<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>T<\/strong>:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; A bit like the lava \u2013 but would it have to be at zero degrees to do that?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>P2 &amp; P3<\/strong>: No<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>T<\/strong>:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; But it\u2019s still freezing?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>P1<\/strong>:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; It\u2019s not freezing<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>T<\/strong>:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; What about if I took gold, and I don\u2019t know what the melting point of gold is, but it\u2019s about 900 degrees C, and I heat the gold up and at nine hundred degrees C or thereabouts it turns into liquid gold, and then I leave it to cool down again and it turns back to solid gold. Is that melting and freezing or is that something different?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>P1<\/strong>:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; It\u2019s just melting and cooling down.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>T<\/strong>:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Why is it melting then? You\u2019re happy with the word melting for&nbsp; something changing from a solid to a liquid at a temperature that\u2019s not zero<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>P1<\/strong>:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Because it\u2019s melting, because the temperature\u2019s hotter than it should be.. I\u2019m\u2026 I\u2019m confused now.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>At this point\nI return to an authoritative explanation of freezing, with reference to the\nexamples that have been shared.<\/p>\n\n\n<p><!--EndFragment--><\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This is a transcript of a conversation that took place between myself and three Year 5 pupils in Sheffield in 2019. The pupils were experienced in Philosophy for Children \u2013 they had practiced dialogue before. They had learned about changes of state in their science lessons. 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